opgelet voor my private trade

This is a warning for a internet company which to our point of view misuses trust and gives false information to make a scam and to our feeling steal your money.

BE VERY CAREFULL WHEN YOUR ARE CONTACTED FOR THIS "SO CALLED"
PROFITABLE BUSINESS !!!!
BECAUSE THEY WILL TRY TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE THAT IT IS PROFITABLE.

To my opinion the only thing they care about is getting your money as fast as they can !!

I will explain everything very carefully, to hopefully PREVENT you to fall for the same to what I believe is the biggest scam of 2008.

Therefore, to warn as many people as possible

I OFFER A REWARD OF : 1000 €

TO THE PERSON WHO FORWARDS THIS WARNING MAIL THE MOST TIMES. SIMPLY SEND THIS MAIL BACK TO US ON :
mprivatetrade@gmail.com AND PUT ALL THE PEOPLE YOU FORWARD THIS MAIL TO IN THE "CC" FIELD, SO THAT WE CAN COUNT THE AMOUNT OF TIMES YOU FORWARDED IT.
BY 28 FEBRUARI WE WILL CONTACT THE WINNER AND OFFER HIM/HER THE 1000 €

WHAT IS IT ALL ABOUT ?

In the last year there was a lot to do around forex trading, everywhere on the internet that you look you can find companies offering a platform to the general public to trade in foreign currencies. This new kind of internet business is something that exists a long time already, but was only reserved for the banks before. Now many companies are offering it to the public in general.

A LOT OF THESE COMPANIES ARE SCAMS, OUT THERE TO STEAL YOUR MONEY !!!!

The one who is to my feeling THE BIGGEST SCAM IS SIMRAY/MY PRIVATE TRADE. They claim to be a Norwegian company, but hide themselves in Dubai.

This Company My Private Trade contacts you based on the trust you have in your friends, because they are to my opinion now nothing more then an ordinary PYRAMID SCAM. SIMRAY is an MLM company (= multi level marketing) which means that you can make money on the people that you bring in to the game and this a few levels deep, each time you talk someone in to paying a fee to be an agent, you even get paid more.
This way they have you talk your friends into it, very clever don't you think ?
Of course they will say everybody benefits, but think very deep who benefits the most.
In the beginning you go to a meeting where they tell you that they are an approved company, and that is already THEIR FIRST LIE. SIMRAY IS NOT AN APPROVED COMPANY !!

To prove that, hereunder a print screen and an outprint of an e-mail of the warning that is displayed against them on the website of the NORWEGIAN FINANCIAL SUPERVISORY AUTHORITHY KREDITTILSYNET
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Van: Hilde Høksnes [mailto:hilde.hoksnes@kredittilsynet.no]
Verzonden: donderdag 9 oktober 2008 10:21
Aan:
Onderwerp: SV: Enquiry regarding Simray ASA/My Private Trade

The information on the website you refer to is not correct. MPT is not regulated or approved by Kredittilsynet.

Thank you for informing us about this.

Best regards,

Hilde Høksnes
Seniorrådgiver/senior adviser
Direkte tlf./Direct telephone number: (+47) 22 93 98 21
Telefax/fax: 22 65 66 15
E-post/E-mail: hilde.hoksnes@kredittilsynet.no

KREDITTILSYNET (THE FINANCIAL SUPERVISORY AUTHORITY OF NORWAY)
Postboks/P.O. Box 100 Bryn
N-0611 OSLO
NORWAY
Tlf./Telephone Number: (+47) 22 93 98 00
Telefax/fax: 22 63 02 26
E-post/E-mail: post@kredittilsynet.no
www.kredittilsynet.no
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Waarschuwing te zien op deze link :
www.kredittilsynet.no/wbch3.exe?ce=20974


Further more you can see on this warning that Simray tries to misguide you on different websites, they do not only use the name MY PRIVATE TRADE, they also try to get your money on PIPFOREX, FX24, MILLITRADE and MPT NETWORK .

When you start trading they offer you a demo account, where you can exercise, but as the greed for money in every human being speaks, very soon you want to play for real money.
YOU HAVE TO KNOW THIS :
ONLY 10 % OF ALL TRADERS IN THE WORLD ARE PROFITABLE.

That is a statistical proven fact, so that is the thing that they are counting on, they present it to you as the golden egg, THE way to make money without working, they even say that only stupid people don't do this !
They try to impress you all the time, with their numbers and tactics, which they say are 70 % sure to make you money.
BUT EVERYONE I KNOW LOST MONEY !!!

They count on the fact that if you lost enough money you will quit trading, and then they are the winner, in fact they are always the winner. Every trade you make with them they charge you five points, which is five times the amount of money you put your trade with. Win or lose they get that money anyway.

When the time comes that you start to make money, when you get skilled in it, as we did, then an other problem arises.
IF YOU WIN A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY DON'T PAY

We traded with a few people together, because if you are with more people, it is easier to keep an eye on every aspect of the market, and react in a quicker way to what is happening.
REMEMBER that this is something that Simray/MPT advised us to do !

We traded a few weeks together and I have to say that we were very lucky, because we just started in the period that the market was extremely volatile. We also took high risks, because we traded at 50 € per point that the currency went up or down. E.g. if the Euro against the Yen is at 161,15 and it drops to 161,14 that is 1 point, and thus 50 € loss or benefit, so if the market is very volatile, winning or losing goes very fast.

In total we won 530,000 € which was the balance with 18 accounts together, we won more, but we also lost around 60,000 €.
When the moment came that we wanted to withdraw the money they refused !!
The money was on our accounts, and we withdrew in different withdrawals, but was every time refused.

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE US OUR MONEY !!

They said : you did something wrong, but all you can do is BUY or SELL and close the trade, what can be done wrong with that.

BUT WHEN WE LOST MONEY THEY TOOK OUR MONEY IMMEDIATELY

When we wrote them a mail that we demanded our money, we got a letter back from their BULLY and extremely ARROGANT lawyer Mr Gronland from the lawfirm Steenstrup/stordrange. Stating that they decided that all our trades are declared void and that we don't have any claim against Simray.

In attachment I put for everyone to read what they accuse us from, but what is contradictory to what they say on their website. They even said that their platform is not suited for professional trading and that we tried to trade professionally on their platform, they even dared to say that.
When we went to court to try to make an injunction on their accounts, because we were scared they would simply seize to exist and run away with our money, they changed their complete story, they didn't talk anymore about something we allegedly did wrong, but all of a sudden their system had broken down, and the fact that we made so much money was due to a failure of their system, and according to them, we took advantage of that. But when we lost the 60,000 € , did we also take advantage of that ???
They never talked of giving us that back. They just put that in their pockets. Due to the fact that there seemed to be enough money at that time in their accounts, the court thought that the risk of not paying when they lose the trial is small. What to my impression is still a big question mark.

For last they were even not ashamed to say that they didn't even put every trade on the world market !
THAT MEANS THAT THEY REALLY COUNT ON THE FACT THAT YOU LOSE AND THAT THEY CAN PUT ALL YOUR MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS !!!!!
IF THIS IS NOT A FRAUD THEN WHAT IS ????

BUT VERY IMPORTANT WE WERE NOT THE FIRST !!!!!!!
THEY CLOSED THE PIPFOREX PLATFORM ALREADY, YOU KNOW WHY ???
I THINK I KNOW, LOOK AT THE FOLLOWING LINK FROM CUSTOMERS OF PIPFOREX !

www.forexpeacearmy.com/public/review/www.pip-forex.com


THEY SIMPLY, WHAT I BELIEVE, STOLE OUR MONEY !!!

At a certain moment they simply put our accounts on 0 €, they just took away our money, lucky for us we still could print out our settlements, where we can really prove what the amount of money was that was on our account. To prove to you that what I say here, is really the truth, a print screen of 1 of our accounts in attachment, showing clearly that they put our account on 0 and that the real balance should be 74,094 €

A mail we received from Mr Andersen when we asked for a settlement of our money, was the following :

Van: Simray Holdings LLC, Morten O. Andersen [mailto:Andersen@Simrayfx.com]
Verzonden: maandag 12 januari 2009 7:27
Aan: jurne@4alltrade.com
Onderwerp: RE: my private trade dispute

Dear Mr. Verstraete,

I am sorry to read that you see this so differently then what I am doing. From where I am standing I cannot give you any other proposal. I guess it is not the two of us that will be able to solve this and for that I am sorry.

Anyway I would like to point out a couple of things:

1. Are you willing to send a copy of the translation? It could not possible harm but maybe solve some misunderstandings.

2. If Simray was trying to scam you in this case, it would have had money that they where withhelding from you. Your claim does not exist in anyway as it was a viritual gain and not a real one. There is no actual money anywhere in the system related to this.

3. Are you and your group willing to accept a verdict from a court in this case? It was your lawyer that stated that you know where going to start a new case.

You believe you have a strong case, why then fight this with threats and email bombing? I can`t see how it will help your case, neither will hurting our companies.

Based on everything we believe a main court case is the best solution as it doesn`t look like there is an agreement outside the courtroom. Is that a solution you can accept.

I do not demand an answer to this email but wanted to send you this to give you my thoughts.

Best regards

Morten O. Andersen
Andersen@Simrayfx.com
+971 505 529 343

This was in fact very funny, seeing that he claims that the money we made is not real money, but the money we lost was VERY real. Our answer to that was :

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van:
Aan: andersen@simrayfx.com
Verzonden: 12-1-2009 7:38:41
Onderwerp: my private trade dispute

Dear Mr. Andersen,
I see that you have your thoughts about the case, but please explain me this :
1) Why does the financial supervisory authority of Norway warn everybody about your company, if it is so truthful ?
2) Why are there websites, where we can read that the thing that happened to us already happened to other people too ? Is this the reason you closed pipforex ?
3)We started trading on your platform, and when we lost you took our money, and this was displayed in our settlements, so I suppose that is real money we lost, and not virtual money, otherwise I wouldn't have seen it go from my account, it would still be on it. When we made a little bit of money, and did small withdrawals the money came back in to our accounts and again it was displayed in our settlements, again this was also real money and not virtual money, because one of our friends took the money that came from your company from his account and bought a small car with it, and I suppose you can not by cars with virtual money !!!!!
Now that we made a great amount of profit, which as always is reflected again in our settlements, now you start claiming that it is virtual money. You make me laugh so hard I almost fall off my chair now.
The money we put on your platform and lost or the gains we withdrew also reflect on our bank statements, so if I follow your way of thinking, the money that I have in the bank is also virtual, and I am living of virtual money. this gets me a little bit confused.
So it is only real money if it suits you and it is virtual money if you want to put the money into your pockets. You should have the price for the best joke of the year my friend.
If I tell this story to the people, and I have to thank you for putting me that on an e-mail where your name phone number and e-mail address is on it, for that is the most perfect proof that your company is a real scam, and is trying to cheat us.
Thank you my friend really, you've just given me the best proof ever to convince everybody.
To reply on settling the case, well I have to say that this is not my primary concern anymore, the reason I will start sending the e-mails around and take it upon me to give a reward to the one who forwards this e-mail the most times and start a google discussion group and go to different newspapers and went to television stations and will post a video on you tube and on google video and start a website around this item and mail the case to every official institution I can find, is just to warn everybody of what has happened to us. Because you know it and I know it, I have proof enough to show.
If it will hurt your companies or not, this is again not my concern, you have to take care of your companies yourself, my concern now is protecting other people and warning other people against the possible threat.
I tried to ask you in a proper way without having to fight in court and spill money for nothing to come to a reasonable agreement, but you don't want to, so I have no choice what so ever then to warn everybody and everything about again the possible threat that it might happen to some one else. Only settling this in court is keeping it quiet and no one knows about it, sorry it is my human duty to warn everybody. Again if we were the only case, then maybe some people would still believe you, but it is already not the first time, and due to the best evidence that you have given me now, I believe it is again my human duty to warn my fellow men and women about this.
best regards,

I really hope by this way and by the way of asking every one to send this mail to as much people possible I can warn a whole society and prevent them from what I believe is stealing your money.

REMEMBER : THE PERSON WHO SHOWS US THE MOST E-MAIL ADDRESSES TO WHERE HE/SHE HAS FORWARDED THIS MAIL GETS 1000 € REWARD FROM US, AND THIS FOR BEING A PART OF PROTECTING THE SOCIETY OF WHAT I BELIEVE ARE JUST ORDINARY THIEVES.

To resume again and fresh up your mind.
The company you have to be careful about and the persons who represent them are listed here below.

SIMRAY ASA / SIMRAY LLC ( their head company in Dubai, where everything is run from)

The PLATFORMS where they do the trading with, but which are in reality empty boxes :
MY PRIVATE TRADE
PIP FOREX
PIP TRADER
MILLITRADE
FX24
These are the ones we know, so be aware if you start trading, that you look what company is behind the platform. If it is SIMRAY, then you know enough !!!


Here the names of the people who represent the different parts :

The owner of Simray is to what we know Morton O. Andersen, and an important shareholder is Kornor Rune. Adm. Director is Roraas Eva Andersen.

My private trade is represented by Stale Fossberg
In Belgium are Sven Lefeber, Isabelle Verhelst and Paul Van Hoof the ones taking care of the Belgian market. Big agents like Christophe Vellemans, are one of the people who is trying to expand and get you into the trading.

Their Bully and arrogant Lawyer is Karl-Anders Grønland from the lawfirm Steenstrup/Dordrange.


We will open a special website for prevention, where there will be a forum on it, so everybody who had an experience can post their experience on it. We made it easy to find and to remember because our website will be called www.mprivatetrade.com this will be on line as of January 20th, also we will open a google discussion group, and put a video on you tube, and google video about this kind to what we believe is fraud and scam. Also we will contact as much banks as we can,television stations, specialy tv stations with programs about fraud and newspapers. If you have any other suggestions, please let us know.

Thank you for your attention and remember, BE WARNED AND WARN AS MANY AS YOU CAN !!!

Best regards,
A victimized trader

waarschuwing voor internet scam van een zogezegde goedgekeurde forex broker

MY PRIVATE TRADE

THIS IS THE SCAM OF THE SCAM, AS LONG AS YOU LOSE THEY CONSIDER YOU A GOOD TRADER BUT ONCE YOU MAKE A LOT OF MONEY THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY YOU. YOU GET A LETTER FROM THEIR BULLY AND ARROGANT LAWYER STATING THAT THE PROFIT YO MADE IS A VIRTUAL ONE AND NOT A REAL ONE. THEY EVEN HAVE THE GUTS TO CALL YOU A CRIMINAL AND A FRAUD? THEY SAY YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG ACORDING TO THE USE AGREEMENTS, BUT CAN NEVER SAY WHAT!! AND AT THE MOMENT THEY SUSPENDED US, WHEN WE MADE TO MUCH GAIN, THEY CHANGED THE USERAGREEMENTS IN THEIR FAVOR NOT TO GIVE YOU BACK EVEN THE MONEY YOU PUT IN TO IT !!!
BE CAREFUL ONE DAY OR ANOTHER THEY WILL JUST STEAL YOUR MONEY WHEN YOU TRADE ON ONE OF THEIR PLATFORMS, AND I HAVE REAL PROOF OF WHAT I AM SAYING, I MADE AN E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR EVERY ONE WHO WANTS MORE PROOF, JUST SEND ME A MAIL ON MPRIVATETRADE@GMAIL.COM, AND I WIL SEND YOU MORE PROOF